Another Question For RL Farmers

[adammac5858]

Right to repair? I didn't know anything about it until now. I research Farming Sim stuff so much Google suggested this article haha!

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features ... 00-tractor

But this sounds like some serious stuff. I never connected farming to big data, and never realized large brands had remote access to the machinery directly. This article was very insightful to someone like me who, outside of you all, don't talk to real life farmers. Since I talk to you all, I just wanted to see if you'd offer your opinions on it. If you don't mind of course.

I AM NOT trying to start a fight or political argument, I just want you RL farmers to provide me some insight!

Edit don_apple: thread moved to ‚Off-Topic‘, since it is not directly realated to the game.

[Illinois Farmer]

I haven't read the article just the headline, but there are so many computer codes that can stop your operation and the only way it gets fixed is by the manufacturers. They can access your tractor if you have the green star connected, so if it isn't connected then they can't access it.

[Farmercaseih]

I'm happy none of our tractors have that computer stuff. Something breaks, we fix it. If it is something we cannot fix because of tools, ect, thats when we call the dealer.

[Dairydeere]

Read that article yesterday. It is becoming a big deal now with all the locked coding on new tractors

[adammac5858]

The amount of data they are farming (pun TOTALLY intended) is scary. I understand where JD and big companies are coming from, but why the secrecy? Why hide it from people who pay huge amounts of money for the equipment, until someone leaks it and then they come out and admit they are collecting.

To all of you RL farmers, thanks. I don't understand or know half the **** you all have to deal with on a technical/technological standpoint. But I FIRMLY believe everyone has the right to repair.

[Illinois Farmer]

Jd has apps and websites that you can access all the data your monitor has collected for you. Like how much fertilizer you use, what seed and where, yields, how much rain, service intervals, fuel usage and compares it over the years.

[Dairydeere]

I think they just don’t want people messing with the code because it f they didn’t know what they’re doing (not saying they don’t), then something doesn’t change that causes an issue with the operation

[Bryan83]

Not a RL farmer, but seen enough videos to understand how this could be a total pain. If you're in the middle of field work and something goes haywire, you don't have time to wait a couple of weeks for the dealership to have an opening to fix it so you can get back to work.

On a side note, I have always been a firm believer that if you OWN something, the manufacturer should not prohibit you from working on it yourself. It's yours and they certainly aren't helping to pay operational costs. But maybe that's just me.

[Illinois Farmer]

If you have a good relationship with your dealer and they understand the importance they will come out right away to fix it, at least that's how the dealers work around here. We do business at jd mostly, then case, NH, then cat.

[Barrcott]

Another point to remember is if the farmer did start digging about in the guts of a machine & broke something his warranty would be void, it would leave the door wide open to fraudulent warranty claims against the manufacturer which could cost them a fortune in avoidable repairs

[Bryan83]

Sure, I get the warranty thing, but once it's out of warranty, the manufacturer really shouldn't have a say.

[Dairydeere]

I don’t think any of the tractors with the locked code are out of warranty yet though, too new

[Mwal]

I’m not a John Deere fan and I went with a challenger tractor last time around because I’m pi** off at case as well with some decisions they’ve made. I’m also a construction worker so when it comes down to that my brand I choose is mostly performance driven. Now that I have that out of the way, if their main reason is safety then how is it possible that the company I work for can access all of caterpillars software and make changes but farmers can’t with John Deere? What makes a farm shop different from ours? Another reason they list is they might wreck their machine but that makes no sense whatsoever from the beginning of warranty’s there has been clauses in them to void the warranty for self inflicted damage what makes this any different than removing the oil plug before operating. I for one hope the guy wins and knocks them down a peg, the precedent John Deere winning would set could have some terrible consequences for what it means to buy something.

[GenXFarmer]

Simply comes down to companies trying to control as much of the profit steam as possible with the Boogeyman scare of emissions.

There is more money to be made in the service and repair of the machine over the decades than its initial manufacture and sale.

How dare you fix it yourself.
Or pay an independent mechanic to repair.

Follow the money.... They want it...all.