Does this machine exist in real life?

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Does this machine exist in real life?

Post by hun3 » Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:15 pm

I couldn't find anything on the net that is a real life version.

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Re: Does this machine exist in real life?

Post by deerefarm » Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:25 pm

I have never seen a machine like this in real life. I believe it's part Krone branded and part Lizard branded so that's a clue.

And like you did, a quick search of manufacturers websites show nothing like it.
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Re: Does this machine exist in real life?

Post by Crashmac » Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:32 pm

Yes there are videos on youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xF6DBaPqfTk

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Re: Does this machine exist in real life?

Post by hun3 » Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:42 pm

Crashmac wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:32 pm
Yes there are videos on youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xF6DBaPqfTk
That's cool. Thank for for the link. One of these mods you can add silage additives...would that mean the bale production will be 5% increased?

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Re: Does this machine exist in real life?

Post by humbe » Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:55 pm

Strange.. In real life they windrowed prior to using this baler anyhow.. Would think the main advantage would be not having to windrow...

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Re: Does this machine exist in real life?

Post by Mwal » Wed Jan 26, 2022 10:05 pm

humbe wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:55 pm
Strange.. In real life they windrowed prior to using this baler anyhow.. Would think the main advantage would be not having to windrow...
It was most likely cut with a swather rather than windrowed

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Re: Does this machine exist in real life?

Post by bossmanslim » Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:11 am

humbe wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:55 pm
Strange.. In real life they windrowed prior to using this baler anyhow.. Would think the main advantage would be not having to windrow...
There is a whole aspect of making hay that Giants ignores, mainly that moisture management is done in many different ways as the cut crop is transitioned to a dry crop for baling.

Reality
- Cut
- Let lay on ground until dry
- Ted if crop gets rained on or needs to be fluffed to increase drying
- Windrow to pull crop off ground and help the bottom dry, typically in the morning with evening baling
- Bale
- May need to ted again if rained on prior baling, go back to windrowing

Giants
- Cut
- Ted if you want hay, immediately becomes hay upon tedding
- Windrow
- Bale (must be done manually)
- Rain means nothing so who cares

There are several single pass baler/windrower combinations that exist IRL, but they are not broadly used because the crop typically needs some extra drying post windrowing so you really can't run a bale it immediately.

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Re: Does this machine exist in real life?

Post by humbe » Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:33 am

bossmanslim wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:11 am
humbe wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:55 pm
Strange.. In real life they windrowed prior to using this baler anyhow.. Would think the main advantage would be not having to windrow...
There is a whole aspect of making hay that Giants ignores, mainly that moisture management is done in many different ways as the cut crop is transitioned to a dry crop for baling.
...
Does this differ for whether you want grass, hay or silage? If you want to feed grass to animals or create silage to them, can you avoid the need to dry after windrowing?

This was more accurate with seasons in FS19.. Lets hope we will get more advanced hay drying back at some point so we have to look for weather again ;)

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Re: Does this machine exist in real life?

Post by bossmanslim » Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:40 am

humbe wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:33 am
Does this differ for whether you want grass, hay or silage? If you want to feed grass to animals or create silage to them, can you avoid the need to dry after windrowing?

This was more accurate with seasons in FS19.. Lets hope we will get more advanced hay drying back at some point so we have to look for weather again ;)
Grass can go straight into silage, at which point you would use a mower that windrows and there is no need for the balers with attached windrows.

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Re: Does this machine exist in real life?

Post by Acrylique » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:00 am

bossmanslim wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:11 am
Rain means nothing so who cares
Really? It can rain when, after the grass is cut/tedded/inbetween and nothing happens? Lol and I always made sure I did all the Work before a Rain Warning :biggrin2:

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Re: Does this machine exist in real life?

Post by Noraf » Thu Jan 27, 2022 10:37 am

bossmanslim wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:40 am

Grass can go straight into silage, at which point you would use a mower that windrows and there is no need for the balers with attached windrows.
Yes, but that would require that the mover setup can windrow. Not all can do that.
I'm quite sure this combination wouldn't exist if there where no need for it 😉
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Re: Does this machine exist in real life?

Post by paul_c » Thu Jan 27, 2022 11:01 am

humbe wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:33 am
bossmanslim wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:11 am
humbe wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:55 pm
Strange.. In real life they windrowed prior to using this baler anyhow.. Would think the main advantage would be not having to windrow...
There is a whole aspect of making hay that Giants ignores, mainly that moisture management is done in many different ways as the cut crop is transitioned to a dry crop for baling.
...
Does this differ for whether you want grass, hay or silage? If you want to feed grass to animals or create silage to them, can you avoid the need to dry after windrowing?

This was more accurate with seasons in FS19.. Lets hope we will get more advanced hay drying back at some point so we have to look for weather again ;)
Kind of. For a start, "grass" isn't really an end crop for baling and feeding to cows, its an intermediate stage before wrapping. If making silage, typically (in the UK) you'd mow a day before, maybe get away with less than a day if the weather was really nice. You're aiming for a low-ish moisture content but some water is tolerable - just leads to wetter, less energy-dense silage.

If making hay, it would be tedded probably 2-3 times and left to dry in between for 2-3 days, maybe even longer. Maybe even a week if you can foresee the weather staying dry that long. If it rains during the drying process you're in a "2 steps forward, one step back" scenario and it could go on for days! In reality, you'd be sure of the weather and delay cutting until it was good. Hay is kinda tricky in the UK compared to silage. You want hay to be as dry as possible and there is a very real safety risk from wet hay.

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Re: Does this machine exist in real life?

Post by paul_c » Thu Jan 27, 2022 11:05 am

ETA another thing: there is no such thing as a "fermenting time". If you do silage, THE NEXT DAY (or even that day, or the day after etc) you could open up the front of the silage pit, take a lump of grass/silage (its not really silage yet, it takes a few days to change colour) and feed it to cows and they'd love it. Its more to do with getting it covered so air is excluded, rather than a time limit. Of course, the grass at the bottom of a silage pit is covered by the other grass so its okay, its all the edges and the top which are vulnerable to spoilage.

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Re: Does this machine exist in real life?

Post by Eische » Thu Jan 27, 2022 11:43 am

Silage is fermented product to increase storage time or avoid spoilage.
So of course there is a fermenting time needed in real life to produce silage. Main fermenting period is around 2 weeks.

Edges and the top are prone to spoilage as water/air can enter through gaps/holes and neglect the fermenting process. We always had trouble with crows picking holes in the plastic cover. Ran around with duct tape every day to fix them.
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Re: Does this machine exist in real life?

Post by paul_c » Thu Jan 27, 2022 2:21 pm

Eische wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 11:43 am
Silage is fermented product to increase storage time or avoid spoilage.
So of course there is a fermenting time needed in real life to produce silage. Main fermenting period is around 2 weeks.

Edges and the top are prone to spoilage as water/air can enter through gaps/holes and neglect the fermenting process. We always had trouble with crows picking holes in the plastic cover. Ran around with duct tape every day to fix them.
Agree 100%, but let me explain my previous post which might look misleading.

Cows can (and like to) eat grass
Cows can also eat silage
Silage is the term we use for grass which is fermented anaerobically, so technically yes, there is a "fermenting time" upon which, one might say "that's silage" rather than "that's grass".
Now, in that time when grass is covered and starts fermenting, it doesn't suddenly switch to becoming silage (like what FS22 might suggest...), its an analogue dynamic thing which is somewhere in between the properties of grass and silage. Now it might be advised that you should wait for it to be fermented (ie give it some time after which its okay), but I can assure you, in the real world, it can & is fed to cows in that timeframe and the cows are quite happy to eat it!

So for practical purposes, you don't REALLY need to consider a "fermenting time" in the real world.

This is for low-medium yielding cows, ie ones which are grazed (daytime) + TMR (option feeding night time) + in-parlour feeding. The situation may be different for high yielding cows where there is always the time limitation driving how much food they can eat, so extra steps may be taken to ensure the highest possible feed quality eg by waiting until after fermentation is complete, different mix for TMR, expensive additives, no grazing, etc.

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