Subsoiler ... confusing!

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Subsoiler ... confusing!

Post by W1der » Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:48 pm

In the shop it says that a subsoiler can be used instead of a plow.

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But in fact it is leaving the same texture as a cultivator would.

Also ... using it with AI it will work through soil that as already been worked with a plow ...
I noticed this as I was joining two fields with a regular plow while AI was going over one of the fields with a subsoiler ... :smileynew:

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So, is it a plow or a cultivator? ... :hmm:
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Re: Subsoiler ... confusing!

Post by eric21 » Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:55 pm

It's both

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Re: Subsoiler ... confusing!

Post by Rasping rabbit » Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:07 pm

It does the job of both. It will take away the ‘needs plowing’ state but can’t be used for plowing contracts. Also you can’t create fields with them.

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Re: Subsoiler ... confusing!

Post by ace54858 » Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:33 pm

Rasping rabbit wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:07 pm
It does the job of both. It will take away the ‘needs plowing’ state but can’t be used for plowing contracts. Also you can’t create fields with them.
there are plowing contracts? i have plowing on and have yet to get any yet.

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Re: Subsoiler ... confusing!

Post by DirectCedar » Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:28 pm

I agree suboilsers in 19 are quite confusing. They behave as a combination plough and cultivator. In reality they do neither of these things. Subsoiling is a unique operation different from both ploughing and cultivating. To use them realistically there would need to be another field condition (say "subsoil compaction") that would be reset by subsoiling, much as the "needs ploughing" field condition is presently used. In their current incarnation subsoilers are sort of wedged in to the game mechanics in a peculiar way, similarly to how in 17 weeders, rollers, and sprayers all just contributed a fertilizer state, when in reality none of them really do that.

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Re: Subsoiler ... confusing!

Post by garyst » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:32 pm

I just wish we could use the subsoilers to create fields because them plows are a pain to work with.

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Re: Subsoiler ... confusing!

Post by Husqvarna TS 352 » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:38 pm

You could in 17 i'm pretty sure
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Re: Subsoiler ... confusing!

Post by W1der » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:58 pm

In 17 they where just plows ... right!?

I like that they can not ... as I can use it as a plow without accidentally create a field ... :blushnew:
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Re: Subsoiler ... confusing!

Post by Rasping rabbit » Sat Jan 05, 2019 12:01 am

There were cultiplows in 17 but you couldn’t create fields with them. There were mods of straight plows in 17, or square plows, not sure of them correct term, they looked very similar to the cultiplows that we have in 19.

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Re: Subsoiler ... confusing!

Post by Guil » Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:00 am

Those were the jympa plows in FS17, like a very flat triangle.
Rasping rabbit wrote:
Sat Jan 05, 2019 12:01 am
There were cultiplows in 17 but you couldn’t create fields with them. There were mods of straight plows in 17, or square plows, not sure of them correct term, they looked very similar to the cultiplows that we have in 19.
Iirc only the bednar in the big bud dlc was called cultiplow, that and the Kuhn subsolier were under cultivators.

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Re: Subsoiler ... confusing!

Post by Rasping rabbit » Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:08 am

Ah ok,I thought there were more in 17.

It was the jympa plows I was thinking of that looked like the ones we have in 19, also there was a mod one. Can’t remember the make but it was blue and could be used on either the front or back of the tractor. May have been lemkin.

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Re: Subsoiler ... confusing!

Post by Guil » Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:09 am

Yeah that was the lemkin one. Reminiscing haha.

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Re: Subsoiler ... confusing!

Post by Rasping rabbit » Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:12 am

I think the lemkin was one of the mods I must have used on almost every map. That and the joskin 3 point tipper!

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Re: Subsoiler ... confusing!

Post by Crazof » Sat Jan 05, 2019 2:51 am

I miss the Weba 6m

I think it was a game changer for plowing on console. 10 mph, 6m wide

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Re: Subsoiler ... confusing!

Post by AgPro Farms » Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:28 am

The CASE Ecolo-Til became my go to. It was the widest of all and a very well done mod.
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