Horsch AgroVation Map.... my review. (Spoiler: negative)

[muzickmage]

I'm not arguing that it's not a carbon copy to look at. As a work of art, maybe its perfect. But i'm not looking for something to hang on my wall.

I reviewed the map explaining my opinion as a map to play. And as a map to play..... i'm not impressed.

If you like the map, that's great. We all have different interests.

[Ritchie]

I give up

[Rasping rabbit]

I must have missed the review part. With a review, surely you would go through the features, what the map is like, what’s included and what isn’t? You did non of that.

Your ‘review’ was just to criticise 3 things about the map. Had you called the post ‘3 things I personally hate about the Horsch map’ then maybe the reaction you got would have been different.

[muzickmage]

I give up

I get what you're saying. The map is made of a particular area you wish to give your respect, by a company you wish to also give your respect, and therefore, you defend the map.

That's fair enough.

I, on the other hand, took the location, and the company, out of the equation, and simply reviewed just the map itself as a gameplay variable.

[Ritchie]

I'm not looking to defend anyone, but to ignore the fact that this is a recreation of a real life farm is ridiculous. That's the whole point of its creation.........to allow the players to work a real life location. That's where your "review" missed the point.

[muzickmage]

I must have missed the review part. With a review, surely you would go through the features, what the map is like, what’s included and what isn’t? You did non of that.

Your ‘review’ was just to criticise 3 things about the map. Had you called the post ‘3 things I personally hate about the Horsch map’ then maybe the reaction you got would have been different.

As you may have noticed, the title of this thread isn't "Gameplay Review".

I'm not saying things don't work. I'm saying as a gameplay map... for me, I just don't see the reason to care about this map.... other than, it's made of a particular location people want to care about.

Sorry, but that's just my opinion.

[Ritchie]

Your opinion confuses me. That's just my opinion though

[muzickmage]

lol fair enough.

[TZ441]

My personal view of the map is that its better then the 17 version and i really liked it at first. Now with 5ish hours on it there are things i like and things i dont.

Likes: Field sizes, i personally enjoy large fields and that works. The spawn points for vehicles is really cool veing right at the farm. The placebale biogas plant i really like that too. 99% of the textures are great to decent. The crip storage is awsome at 2 mil liters. The power lines are a nice touch especially since they DONT HAVE COLLISIONS and the AI just farm thru em. Vertex did nail the carbon copy of the map.

Dislikes: The entire point of 19 is having the optuon to build your own farm, starting on farm manager and still having all the buildings is a real pain. The roadways are super narrow but thats not the big deal, they look like they are just plopped onto the map and the texture doesnt look good. The sell points are very very tight and makes selling crop a pain.
Overall its a allright map and not a super bad one but not great. It is a step up from the 17 version just not by much.

[thumbwiz]

It was a fair review in your opinion, which you are entitled to. It's unfortunate that people will argue against your negative opinion.
When those threads pop up thanking and praising mods and devs and so on, nobody argues with those opinions.
All these people who don't think you should have a negative opinion just love to try and make you feel bad.
Maybe this map is a good replica, but that doesn't mean it's a good map from a game perspective.
Overly large, odd shaped fields with obstacles in this game are a hindrance for some players, and certainly for the AI.
I share your opinion (which apparently you shouldn't have).

[muzickmage]

Now on how many threads is that advice valid? I'd keep that for pasting elsewhere.

Also, i'm not using the map (as you pointed out, that's my freedom).

I'm still entitled to my opinion about something offered to paying customers. (of which I too am one)

[Husqvarna TS 352]

I'm still entitled to my opinion about something offered to paying customers. (of which I too am one)

But you didn't pay for this..?

[muzickmage]

But I "did" pay for the game it was created for, and I am part of the FS customer base it was offered to.

That gives me the Right to an opinion. Just because it's FREE doesn't mean it has immunity from public opinion.

[The.EuroFarmer]

@ muzickmage

We live in a free planet and everyone can express his/her opinion freely, but at the same time they should at least keep it in a polite manner.
I find your topic insulting for VertexDezign, and if I was a member of VertexDezign I would file an official complain against you and ask from the moderators to remove your topic.

By reading your first post I noticed that your intentions weren't for an honest review, but your intentions were to fire against VertexDezign and that is not acceptable because once again you proved that you don't respect modders efforts.

If you feel that the AgroVation map is not good, then you could write an honest review without insulting VertexDezign, there was no need to use phrases like " pathetic " , " what was in their minds " , "waste of time" , etc .

Yes, you have the right to tell your opinion but you do not have the right to insulting everyone else.


You had two options :
1. Do not use the map
2. Make the changes on the map according of your needs.

Unfortunately you choose third option ; to insult VertexDezign and that is no acceptable by modding community.

Once again, you have the right to express your opinion but you do not have the right to insult anyone.

If I was a member of VertexDezign I would ask from my lawyers to take legal actions against you.

[Deadeye]

Regardless of how ignorant we think OP's post was, we still have to respect it, whether we like it or not. Since no one here has been what I view to be disrespectful, just critical, it's fair game. As far as "If you don't like it, don't read it" I'm going to read it. Just as you're entitled to your opinion, muzick, anyone else is entitled to theirs. Now let's analyze:

You are complaining about a map that was free, for one. That is automatically going to get people heated up. You also started your review with "No wonder console players complain". Immediately, you've upset a large group of people. You also give a solution, albeit an inconvenient one, but because it's inconvenient say "Nope, not going to happen" Which is true. It is VERY inconvenient. That said, if someone wanted to and liked the map, surely they would put the effort in to accomplish this. Your sarcastic comment is indicative of someone who is already hostile. Since you don't like the map, you won't. That's fine too. You also loaded your review with opinions like "Forestry is such a huge part of the game" Though a review is an opinion, and you're entitled to believe that, as stated above. I entirely disagree. You also slam at the people who do like this map by saying "If you want to see how bad consoles have it, just look at the people who like this map." I'm sure plenty of people like this map with all of the challenges it creates, which you dislike. That is also entirely acceptable.


As a follow up to some of my previous arguments, I am also curious as to how much farming experience you have? I'm going to be flat out honest, I'm not a farmer myself. I'm actually an equipment operator/ truck driver by trade. I did, However, grow up around farms. I spent a lot of my life working around and on farms. I also like to read about some agricultural related stuff. All that said, I have NEVER seen a field that was a perfect square. They do exist in some places, I am well aware. This map, though, is obviously not modelled after one of these areas. Most fields I have seen DID have power lines, rockpiles, etc. in the middle of them. Which you seem to openly hate. They work around them. Lastly, I'm going to discuss the roads that you seem to dislike. Once again, Some people fully welcome these challenges. Some parts of the world DO actually have roads like this. If you don't like the narrow roads and odd shaped fields, perhaps maps like this aren't for you. In some regions of the world, a tractor trailer is essentially out of the question. You don't like this, and once again, that's your right, but others do like it.


Basically to me, what you've done is you've taken your opinion, which you are entirely permitted to, and loaded it with some pretty argumentative statements in there. Then, when people disagreed and started getting perhaps a little too argumentative back, you took offense to it. Before complaining about hostility towards a post you made, Maybe next time think a little better about how to word it so as not to upset and agitate people? It will likely go a long way in avoiding a large portion of this, since the majority of members to this forum are respectful people.


Posting an opinion is acceptable. It is important, however, to take caution and notice of how we're posting it on a public forum such as this, if we want to avoid p*ssing people off. There also is a line you shouldn't cross, and that is insulting and slamming the creator of the content/product. I'm sure more effort than you realize was put into this map. If you put a a fair bit of effort into something, only to have it run down by one person or a group of people who just don't like it, would you think that is acceptable. You did work hard on that, right? I know I would be upset.