John Deere 8r 2016-18 EU series is in testing

[lloydhard]

Nothing runs like a deere

Nothing runs like a deere when its being chased by a magnum!

[Thedebe48]

I was just told my JHHG that nothing has been resolved and he is still waiting on Custom to respond...I really want this to get resolved, not just for the mod to come out but also to have 2 really good modders maybe work together? Or at least get along! Fingers crossed but I probably won't hold my breath...

Tough to resolve this stuff when money is involved. Nothing we can do but hope for the best. Unfortunately, all of this stuff coming out about JHHG and their dishonesty may appear to have some truth to it.

[b101uk]

the simplest option is to ban all parties involved from submitting mods to ModHub, it solves the problem and it sends a message to them and others that dishonesty etc wont be tolerated when it comes to the provenance of mods in full or in part, and the importance of obtaining permission from and crediting people.

[vondeylenfarms]

Banning all of them does nothing. All that does is hurt console players and some PC players that download from modhub and not off sites. The adult thing is to resolve the issues and move forward for everyone to enjoy their hard work.

[b101uk]

banning sends a clear message that some types of thing wont be tolerated at any level.

Sometimes you have to make examples, and examples are best made with better knowns who used some dubious practices longer term rather than with unknowns who don't, as it reminds people that no one is above action being taken.

the adult thing to do is accept fair punishment for past actions.

and making that point sometimes means that others (console players and some PC players) WILL have to go without the fruits of someone's morally bankrupt behaviour.

[dapals51]

banning sends a clear message that some types of thing wont be tolerated at any level.

Sometimes you have to make examples, and examples are best made with better knowns who used some dubious practices longer term rather than with unknowns who don't, as it reminds people that no one is above action being taken.

the adult thing to do is accept fair punishment for past actions.

and making that point sometimes means that others (console players and some PC players) WILL have to go without the fruits of someone's morally bankrupt behaviour.

Except it won’t work, there are a lot of third party sites that you can download mods for pc. Console would suffer, if anything Giant would have to find a way to change mods to only come from mod hub. Otherwise we just have to live with it

[b101uk]

banning sends a clear message that some types of thing wont be tolerated at any level.

Sometimes you have to make examples, and examples are best made with better knowns who used some dubious practices longer term rather than with unknowns who don't, as it reminds people that no one is above action being taken.

the adult thing to do is accept fair punishment for past actions.

and making that point sometimes means that others (console players and some PC players) WILL have to go without the fruits of someone's morally bankrupt behaviour.

Except it won’t work, there are a lot of third party sites that you can download mods for pc. Console would suffer, if anything Giant would have to find a way to change mods to only come from mod hub. Otherwise we just have to live with it

a lot of third party sites (though not all) are also morally bankrupt and don't police uploads and they have page layouts with download links for totally unrelated things while secreting the correct download in smaller less prominent places than the totally unrelated things.

but third party sites shouldn't be setting the standards for Giants to follow, Giants should be setting their own standards in what they hold people to, and if the means console and some PC/Mac players go without, then so be it.


in essence third party sites and their actions are irrelevant to this conversation.

[MFPaul_J]

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MFPaul_J thank you for that reply. I very much feel that some modders are defintiely taking the pi** right now and breaking the T&Cs of Giants Modding, with their behaviour of putting mods behind paywalls and getting people to pay to access test versions of mods that they later submit to the ModHub. It's kinda like having their cake and eating it. Modders who submit to modhub should not be asking for or receiving any other kind of monetary payment except what the modhub pays out based on the number of mods they have submitted and the quality of those mods. If a Modder thinks his **** don't stink and is too good for the modhub then by all means go solo, set up your own site and list your mods there and provide a donation link, for people to offer what they feel your work is worth. However direct pay walling or making people pay to access and download these mods is still a violation of the Giants and Giants Editor T&Cs, so even if they go solo they shouldn't do this practice, and any modder that does should be shut down, if that means Giants Legal Team needs to send them cease and desists so be it.

I have a lot of respect for modders, and feel that many deserve compensation for the time they put into bringing us stuff to enhance this game. However they all need to play by the rules. They can either use the ModHub as Giants intend and receive the rewards for their work. Or they go completely separate. What they can't do however is both. It just doesn't work and creates the problems we're seeing now.

They are actually allowed to do it now

Huh? Can you link to giants statement about this?

[dapals51]

banning sends a clear message that some types of thing wont be tolerated at any level.

Sometimes you have to make examples, and examples are best made with better knowns who used some dubious practices longer term rather than with unknowns who don't, as it reminds people that no one is above action being taken.

the adult thing to do is accept fair punishment for past actions.

and making that point sometimes means that others (console players and some PC players) WILL have to go without the fruits of someone's morally bankrupt behaviour.

Except it won’t work, there are a lot of third party sites that you can download mods for pc. Console would suffer, if anything Giant would have to find a way to change mods to only come from mod hub. Otherwise we just have to live with it

a lot of third party sites (though not all) are also morally bankrupt and don't police uploads and they have page layouts with download links for totally unrelated things while secreting the correct download in smaller less prominent places than the totally unrelated things.

but third party sites shouldn't be setting the standards for Giants to follow, Giants should be setting their own standards in what they hold people to, and if the means console and some PC/Mac players go without, then so be it.


in essence third party sites and their actions are irrelevant to this conversation.

Yes it is, you can't ban something and expect results, if there are other options out there. Not to mention Custom modding and JHHG modding we're primarily pc modders before 19 came out due to lack of Deere in previous games

[cwattyeso]

Custom and JHHG are welcome to return to being morally bankrupt mod makers for the PC version, and they can continue to put there mods out on those morrally bankrupt sites and hide them behind their pay walls, patreon subscriptions and pay to download links. What Giants need to do is ban these types of people from also submitting mods to the modhub. As a mod author it should be very simple, and in black and white from Giants, you can either use and support the ModHub with your creations to the benefit of both PC & Console Players and in return earn rewards from Giants for your submissions, although you then have to agree to all the T&Cs not only of the ModHub but also Giants Editor which means everything you create and submit must only be hosted on the ModHub and not distributed anywhere else or to anyone prior to or after it's inclusion on the ModHub. Also by submitting to the ModHub you agree that all assets of that mod become fair use and free to use within other mods on the ModHub either by Giants themselves or other registered ModHub Authors. If you can't accept that then your second option is to make your mods and distribute them yourself only to the PC Players via the morrally bankrupt sites, you'll not receive any reward from Giants for that work, but you will still be bound by the terms and conditions of the Giants Editor Software License (unless the your mod has been made without it, which usually only applies to pure script mods.) which again means that they become fair use as assets/prefabs and can be included in mods on Giants ModHub either by Giants themselves or by other registered ModHub Authors. However what author's can't do is tread both paths and try to play both games and have the best of both worlds. So you either go all in on support of the ModHub, which for some groups would mean shutting down their other sites/facebook pages etc and keeping their work off the grid until it appears for download in the ModHub, or you continue to be scummy morally bankrupt modders who think their above and beyond everyone else.

[b101uk]

Except it won’t work, there are a lot of third party sites that you can download mods for pc. Console would suffer, if anything Giant would have to find a way to change mods to only come from mod hub. Otherwise we just have to live with it

a lot of third party sites (though not all) are also morally bankrupt and don't police uploads and they have page layouts with download links for totally unrelated things while secreting the correct download in smaller less prominent places than the totally unrelated things.

but third party sites shouldn't be setting the standards for Giants to follow, Giants should be setting their own standards in what they hold people to, and if the means console and some PC/Mac players go without, then so be it.


in essence third party sites and their actions are irrelevant to this conversation.

Yes it is, you can't ban something and expect results, if there are other options out there. Not to mention Custom modding and JHHG modding we're primarily pc modders before 19 came out due to lack of Deere in previous games

the result is, it is not on ModHub, other sites and what they do are irrelevant to this conversation and they are NO excuse for Giants not to take decisive action as far as their own ModHub is concerned and the standards they demand from submissions to it, just as SONY and Microsoft demand Giants check mods for scrips and other erroneous things that could cause problems on their platforms else "legal" issues when it comes to brands or claims of asset ownership within a mod.

[dapals51]

a lot of third party sites (though not all) are also morally bankrupt and don't police uploads and they have page layouts with download links for totally unrelated things while secreting the correct download in smaller less prominent places than the totally unrelated things.

but third party sites shouldn't be setting the standards for Giants to follow, Giants should be setting their own standards in what they hold people to, and if the means console and some PC/Mac players go without, then so be it.


in essence third party sites and their actions are irrelevant to this conversation.

Yes it is, you can't ban something and expect results, if there are other options out there. Not to mention Custom modding and JHHG modding we're primarily pc modders before 19 came out due to lack of Deere in previous games

the result is, it is not on ModHub, other sites and what they do are irrelevant to this conversation and they are NO excuse for Giants not to take decisive action as far as their own ModHub is concerned and the standards they demand from submissions to it, just as SONY and Microsoft demand Giants check mods for scrips and other erroneous things that could cause problems on their platforms else "legal" issues when it comes to brands or claims of asset ownership within a mod.

I guess what I'm saying is they need to find away to get rid of the third party sites. In order to make a stand needs to be more than mod hub, which I feel we could both agree on. I just don't feel mod hub would be enough

[Tomazius96]

You cant just ban a certain website on internet because you dont like it lol. You people sometimes come up with really shady prepositions
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[dapals51]

You cant just ban a certain website on internet because you dont like it lol. You people sometimes come up with really shady prepositions
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No no no, not banning a website, just make it so mods have to flow through giant in some way

[BreadedVirus]

You cant just ban a certain website on internet because you dont like it lol. You people sometimes come up with really shady prepositions
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No no no, not banning a website, just make it so mods have to flow through giant in some way

You can’t force modders to submit their mods through GIANTS.