Fertilizing; What I've noticed

[iwan073]

Alright some of you might, after reading this, go like DUH! And wonder why it took me this long to find out.
But I just did

On Farming Simulator 17 after you harvested, you could use a solid fertilizer to lay down the first layer.
Then you could pick a seeder/fertilizer/cultivator combo to seed and it would lay the second layer of fertilizer.

This doesn't work in Farming Simulator 19 anymore. You will have to cultivate or plow the field after the first layer of solid fertilizer to be able to use the seeder/fertilizer/cultivater combo and get the second layer of fertilizer.
This is weird, cause the combo has a cultivator build in. So technically the field is being cultivated while using that combo.
Or you can use the combo first, wait for the first growth stage and then use the solid fertilizer for the second layer.

The thing I realized now, is that when you use manure or slurry for the first layer, you can use the combo right after and you do get your second layer of fertilization...
(I believe you can even use the combo first and then use slurry/manure)

So yeah. For those of you who did not know. There ya have it.

What I do wonder about the combo's though... did they change the "internal process" from cultivating - fertilizing - seeding to fertilizing - cultivating - seeding?

[PrincessJessi84]

I think it has more to do with the info layers.. they new stuff with lime and what have u.. unless im mistaken, this change was one of the ways they made it happen

[this_is_gav]

If you fertilise, then drill (without fertiliser in it) you can immediately fertilise again.

Also, if lime is needed, you can fertliser, spread lime and then spread fertiliser again, all without needing to drill/cultivate or anything.

[iwan073]

I know. But that wasn’t the point.

It was about the seeder/fertilizer/cultivater combos

[this_is_gav]

Sorry for daring to try adding to a discussion. Thought it might have been equally useful for someone reading the thread.

[iwan073]

You’re forgiven

[wombles]

If you fertilise, then drill (without fertiliser in it) you can immediately fertilise again.

Also, if lime is needed, you can fertliser, spread lime and then spread fertiliser again, all without needing to drill/cultivate or anything.

Now the latter I didn't know thanks Gav.

[Crazof]

A no till planter or seeder isn't tilling before putting the seed in the ground.

[iwan073]

A no till planter or seeder isn't tilling before putting the seed in the ground.

So you’re saying it does the tilling AFTER the seeding?
That doesn’t make sense, to me.
The tilling after the seeding would undo the seeding. At least that’s how I think the game mechanics work.

So what has changed between FS17 and FS19 then concerning these no-till seeders?

[iwan073]

Also, if lime is needed, you can fertliser, spread lime and then spread fertiliser again, all without needing to drill/cultivate or anything.

It also appears that the game sees all the different kinds of fertilizer, as a different soil state.
By accident I noticed today that you can add manure right after slurry. It will give you a second fertilization state.

Still my question remains:

If you can solid fertilize, cultivate and solid fertilize again...
Then why won’t this work with the no-till seeders (anymore)?

Unless the no-till seeder fertilizes BEFORE tilling.


Just to make something clear...
A no-till seeder is a seeder/cultivater combo?
Like this machine?

[Crazof]

Direct seeders/planters are not tilling, the ground state changes directly to planted in game.

[iwan073]

Direct seeders/planters are not tilling, the ground state changes directly to planted in game.

So what are the direct seeders in-game?

The seeders I was talking about are the combinations of cultivators, seeders and fertilizers. I thought those were the no-till seeders. I don’t know all the terms... just a virtual farmer. English not being my native language doesn’t always help either, trying to explain what I mean.

What would you call a seeder like this then:

[fenixguy]

The seeders I was talking about are the combinations of cultivators, seeders and fertilizers. I thought those were the no-till seeders.

No-till means that the ground isn't tilled (cultivated) before or during planting. So, direct drills change the ground state from harvested to planted without the cultivation step.

[iwan073]

But still no one is telling me how you’d call that seeder I’m showing

[Crazof]

In game terms that is a direct seeder, also known in real life as no till. The thing about in game is that there is predefined textures for each ground state, so harvested, vs cultivated, vs planted all look a specific way. IRL no till seeding may not look much different than say harvested, except for some new lines in the soil where the seed was put in.