Farming Simulator 19: Farm like never before!

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Re: Farming Simulator 19: Farm like never before!

Post by RODHA » Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:35 pm

Lisertan wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:20 pm
RODHA wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:28 pm
GothicKing13 wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:08 pm
Well......... I still like you even if you did work for EA games. :D LOL
I really wonder, if there is only one single gamer on the face of this planet who doesn't hate EA :biggrin2:
I don't hate EA. I don't agree with everything they do, but I don't hate them. Ha!
I figured that out :biggrin2:

But let me ask you one thing. Of course if you can comment on that.

You know why a lot of gamers hate EA. They have gone too far on the money thing. Milking customers just doesn't work.

In that respect, when you personally compare EA and Giants, there is a huge difference isn't there?

I mean, I didn't pay a premium price to Giants but in return I got an amazing game and literally tons of other stuff for free (DLCs, mods, support, etc.).

I don't even begin to talk about EA and their pricing policy.
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Re: Farming Simulator 19: Farm like never before!

Post by Farmer_S » Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:40 pm

It's horrible to hear that not all of the FS17 DLC vehicles and equipment will make it into FS19. I hope Giants convert them over as mods if nothing else. Otherwise they'll be lost forever. It's not as if any decent modder can just convert them, as they're locked. I personally would be very upset if the entirety of the big bud and platinum DLCs was not brought over, either as part of the base game, or a mod. Same with the Kuhn square bale wrapper and the Kuhn merger. If those are all in FS19, I would be OK with that I guess. But what're the chances of that I wonder. FS19 looks really good either way, I just hope we don't lose some good Giants equipment as a result.

Maybe Lisertan can elaborate on what he knows or doesn't know in terms of stuff being converted as either a mod, base game, or lost entirely.

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Re: Farming Simulator 19: Farm like never before!

Post by Lisertan » Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:42 pm

RODHA wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:35 pm
Lisertan wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:20 pm
RODHA wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:28 pm

I really wonder, if there is only one single gamer on the face of this planet who doesn't hate EA :biggrin2:
I don't hate EA. I don't agree with everything they do, but I don't hate them. Ha!
I figured that out :biggrin2:

But let me ask you one thing. Of course if you can comment on that.

You know why a lot of gamers hate EA. They have gone too far on the money thing. Milking customers just doesn't work.

In that respect, when you personally compare EA and Giants, there is a huge difference isn't there?

I mean, I didn't pay a premium price to Giants but in return I got an amazing game and literally tons of other stuff for free (DLCs, mods, support, etc.).

I don't even begin to talk about EA and their pricing policy.
The difference is INSANE. Not even like day and night, more like ... day and cheesecake. There is no way to compare the two.

There are several reasons for that. EA is HUGE, Giants is tiny, this alone makes for 2 completely different companies, but I tell you the biggest difference and that is the one that BLEW my mind and makes me never wanting to leave Giants EVER:

EA, and every single company I worked for, tries to maximize their earnings. Quite frankly, I think that is fair enough, they are a company after all. GIANTS is completely different. OF COURSE we are trying to make as much money as possible, but the main goal here is to maximize happyness ... inside and outside of the company. This is so weird to see and at the same time so cool.

Let me give you an example:

Did you know? If you buy the game via our webshop and you won't use the key within a specific time, we will send you a letter with the key? Like not en email.. a propper letter reminding you that you bought the game and providing the key in case you lost it. I've never seen that before and I think it's SO COOL.

Same thing with my bosses taking everything I say seriously. I'm the Community Manager after all, I know what the Community wants, so they trust me with decisions I would never ever be able to make within bigger companies.

So yeah completely different because of their different goals, different size and different company type. EA has stakeholders and needs to make them happy. We don't and our CEO is already happy enough.
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Re: Farming Simulator 19: Farm like never before!

Post by RODHA » Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:44 pm

Farmer_S wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:40 pm
It's not as if any decent modder can just convert them, as they're locked.
Modders have already converted Giants models and maps into FS17 from FS15. Take a look at Krone Big M and Westbridge Hills.
It depends on Giants permission. It is doable. Not impossible.
Besides think about it. If Giants converts all DLCs from previous versions to newer ones, the shop would be flooded with a ton of stuff we got used to instead of new and different ones.
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Re: Farming Simulator 19: Farm like never before!

Post by GothicKing13 » Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:44 pm

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Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:21 pm
Not that I'm aware of, no. (same for CP, follow me ect.)
Ah, okay then... I will wait patiently for the GPS mod to hit FS19. :) - I didn't think Follow Me would be there, hence why I didn't ask on that one... Seasons, GPS and Follow Me will be the 3 mods I get as soon as they release for it. :D - As for, CP... I never have used that one.
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Re: Farming Simulator 19: Farm like never before!

Post by GothicKing13 » Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:45 pm

Lisertan wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:19 pm
No easy/normal/hard are gone
Ah, well... I guess it will be the new "hard" mode for me then. I want to start with absolutely nothing! :D
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Re: Farming Simulator 19: Farm like never before!

Post by GothicKing13 » Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:48 pm

RODHA wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:26 pm
GothicKing13 wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:08 pm
TacoFarmer wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:04 pm
Will the birds poop on stuff?
I swear, if birds dive bomb my tractor after I get done cleaning it......... lol
If the bird pooping will be in the game then I should be able to buy a shotgun from the shop. There is no other way :biggrin2:
Aha, I was going to say the same thing... but, I didn't know if Guil was browsing through the forums. So, I left "shotgun" off the tip of me tongue. LOL

PS. Just messing with you, Guil! :)
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Re: Farming Simulator 19: Farm like never before!

Post by GothicKing13 » Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:56 pm

Lisertan wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:42 pm
Did you know? If you buy the game via our webshop and you won't use the key within a specific time, we will send you a letter with the key? Like not en email.. a propper letter reminding you that you bought the game and providing the key in case you lost it. I've never seen that before and I think it's SO COOL.
Seriously!? Woah, now that's cool. I've never heard of a game company doing that before. Much respect to GIANTS. Although, you did loose me a moment on the Cheesecake part, I'm tired and a bit immature at the moment and couldn't stop laughing at it... don't judge! But, like... for reals? Ya'll will send an actual letter? NICE! :D
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Re: Farming Simulator 19: Farm like never before!

Post by frankfarmer » Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:56 pm

shredhed79 wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:29 pm
*censored* about seasons, I really don't see the point in aging machinery without seasons. I hope there will at least be a mod, if not I'll probably pass on this one
I agree... I don't see any point in playing the game without seasons

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Re: Farming Simulator 19: Farm like never before!

Post by RODHA » Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:59 pm

Lisertan wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:42 pm
RODHA wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:35 pm
Lisertan wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:20 pm

I don't hate EA. I don't agree with everything they do, but I don't hate them. Ha!
I figured that out :biggrin2:

But let me ask you one thing. Of course if you can comment on that.

You know why a lot of gamers hate EA. They have gone too far on the money thing. Milking customers just doesn't work.

In that respect, when you personally compare EA and Giants, there is a huge difference isn't there?

I mean, I didn't pay a premium price to Giants but in return I got an amazing game and literally tons of other stuff for free (DLCs, mods, support, etc.).

I don't even begin to talk about EA and their pricing policy.
The difference is INSANE. Not even like day and night, more like ... day and cheesecake. There is no way to compare the two.

There are several reasons for that. EA is HUGE, Giants is tiny, this alone makes for 2 completely different companies, but I tell you the biggest difference and that is the one that BLEW my mind and makes me never wanting to leave Giants EVER:

EA, and every single company I worked for, tries to maximize their earnings. Quite frankly, I think that is fair enough, they are a company after all. GIANTS is completely different. OF COURSE we are trying to make as much money as possible, but the main goal here is to maximize happyness ... inside and outside of the company. This is so weird to see and at the same time so cool.

Let me give you an example:

Did you know? If you buy the game via our webshop and you won't use the key within a specific time, we will send you a letter with the key? Like not en email.. a propper letter reminding you that you bought the game and providing the key in case you lost it. I've never seen that before and I think it's SO COOL.

Same thing with my bosses taking everything I say seriously. I'm the Community Manager after all, I know what the Community wants, so they trust me with decisions I would never ever be able to make within bigger companies.

So yeah completely different because of their different goals, different size and different company type. EA has stakeholders and needs to make them happy. We don't and our CEO is already happy enough.
Well, I was kinda aware of something like that because whoever I see from Giants in a video or in a post, they are always happy and loving their job. And this can only be achieved by that kind of a mental approach as you explained which I think is completely alien to what we call a "boss" :biggrin2:

So, hats off to Christian and Stefan :hi: They seem to be really great personalities.

I hope that never ends because as long as this keeps going we will keep getting amazing games *thumbsup*

Thanks for the reply Lis.
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Re: Farming Simulator 19: Farm like never before!

Post by this_is_gav » Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:59 pm

Lisertan wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:42 pm
Let me give you an example:

Did you know? If you buy the game via our webshop and you won't use the key within a specific time, we will send you a letter with the key? Like not en email.. a propper letter reminding you that you bought the game and providing the key in case you lost it. I've never seen that before and I think it's SO COOL.
Don't be stupid. Who's going to buy the game then not play it! :mrgreen:

You're completely right, and that's why FS has grown as much as it has - from day one the game was generally about giving the players what they wanted. The game itself of course, but also editors, script documentation, tutorials, mod rewards and bringing mods to consoles to name but a few. There is a genuine love for the community and a sense that they want the game to grow to give us more, as much as to make more money.

Everything hasn't always been perfect (I seem to remember the lack of documentation for FS15 struck a poor note with a lot of modders and some left the scene as a result), but with FS17 and hopefully FS19 you're done everything reasonably possible to try to rectify that.

The approach of making the players happy to ensure success is rarely seen in this day of micro-transactions and general milking of the customer. :hi:

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Re: Farming Simulator 19: Farm like never before!

Post by Lisertan » Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:01 pm

this_is_gav wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:59 pm

Don't be stupid. Who's going to buy the game then not play it! :mrgreen:

We send about 150 - 200 letters a month so.. uhm.. yeah.
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Re: Farming Simulator 19: Farm like never before!

Post by this_is_gav » Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:04 pm

Really? Wow. :confusednew:

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Re: Farming Simulator 19: Farm like never before!

Post by GothicKing13 » Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:06 pm

Woah, that's a lot of letters.
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Re: Farming Simulator 19: Farm like never before!

Post by W1der » Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:08 pm

shredhed79 wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:29 pm
*censored* about seasons, I really don't see the point in aging machinery without seasons. I hope there will at least be a mod, if not I'll probably pass on this one
Aging machinery with physical wear (weaker performance over time) is awesome!
Gives me a purpose to sell the old and get a new (even if it is the same kind) ...
Keeping my fleet of vehicles "up and running" will give me something to do with my money, ones I have to much of it ... :lol: *thumbsup*
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